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Katie: Hiya, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama” podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com. And this episode is all a couple of holistic strategy to hair loss. And it takes a extremely distinctive angle that I’ve not seen addressed earlier than. I’m right here with two folks I like very a lot and take into account extremely, extremely sensible. The primary is Ian Mitchell, who has formulated many merchandise, together with a number of which are very a lot part of my every day life now and has additionally formulated this hair treatment that addresses hair loss in a approach that I’ve by no means seen earlier than and with fairly excessive outcomes. And I’m additionally right here with Dr. Tami, who’s the writer of “The Hormone Secret.” She is a doctor, and a mother, and has specialised in each beauty drugs and now in stem cell drugs. She’s extremely sensible and actually helps folks tackle the underlying reason behind every kind of issues. She likes to say that high quality is a four-letter phrase when folks ask how you might be and she or he actually strives to assist folks discover limitless power and well being. And I’m actually excited to share her with you as we speak. So, with out additional ado, let’s leap in and perceive hair loss.

So, on this episode, we’re tackling a subject that I feel is absolutely necessary I’ve not tackled on right here but, which is the subject of hair loss. We all know this impacts a variety of girls and a variety of males, definitely. It’s one thing that individuals in my life have struggled with. And I really feel like there’s a variety of misinformation relating to hair loss and a variety of therapies that appear doubtlessly harmful, or at the least not efficient. And so, I’m actually excited as we speak to essentially delve into the roots of hair loss and in addition discuss some options that may be actually efficient. And I’m right here with Ian Mitchell and Dr. Tami who I’m attending to see in particular person after not seeing her for years, such a deal with, and two of the perfect folks I can consider on this planet to speak about this as we speak. So, to begin broad like we often do, I wanna go into, sort of, what’s occurring physiologically within the physique once we’re seeing hair loss. Is it single trigger? Is it multi-cause? What are a few of these, to make use of the pun, roots which are occurring within the physique once we’re speaking about hair loss?

Ian: Okay. So really, I feel I can leap in with a portion of that as a result of we’ve checked out it from a variety of totally different approaches in say, with males, usually, everybody appears to be like at dihydrotestosterone and 5-alpha-reductase, and the ratios and the balances there. However that’s really sort of, because it seems, extra of a tertiary operate. It’s probably not even the secondary trigger. And it’s undoubtedly associated. And you may see how these issues correlate. However correlation, as we all know, doesn’t at all times equal causation. And so our strategy has been to have a look at what we thought can be the basis once more, to make use of the pun, the basis reason behind the problem. And, , I at all times say this, however it’s that Henry David Thoreau quote, if it, “For each thousand hacking on the branches of evil, there’s one hacking on the root.” That’s who you wanna be is addressing what’s actually going to elicit the most important response with the minimal effort so you will get the most important yield for folks.

So, what we’re taking a look at is how will we up-regulate intracellular operate? As a result of the physique desires to do what it’s designed to do, proper? And follicular cells aren’t any totally different. For those who present them with the assets, they don’t wish to be in an clever or catagen part. They, , wish to be in an antigen progress cycle, pumping out hair. That’s what they’re designed to do. And so, we’ve checked out how to try this and give you what I’d say is classed extra as a holistic strategy however in actuality, the science simply is superb and it’s trying on the mix of detoxing pathways and how one can stimulate upregulation of ATP whilst you’re down-regulating cytokine responses so that you just create probably the most conducive setting in direction of selling the expansion. And so, it wasn’t…, you had been asking, is it one single level? It’s not. Like with something within the physique, it’s, , multivariate, multifunctional methods.

And so, we needed to tackle a complete host of various issues to beat the problem. And I’d say really, we’ve executed a surprisingly good job of doing that. However once more, we had to have a look at it by way of chemical pathways, detoxing pathways, photonic upregulation utilizing lights at particular frequencies to stimulate cytochrome. And there’s a litany of actually good research. I feel what we’ve executed is mix all the finest parts collectively in a single system, , to get the problem handled and stuck up and fairly nicely. And Tami, I feel you may most likely elucidate issues by way of, , the organic parts of the totally different cycles. So have at it.

Dr. Tami: Properly, , hair loss impacts everyone in a different way however I feel that we underestimate how a lot it impacts the folks which are getting affected. Over 50% of girls over the age of 45 have hair loss. And I do know who you might be. Your ponytail holder goes round 4 instances now as a substitute of two or three. And males really can have hair loss as early as their 20s. And it undoubtedly is a multifactorial factor. We do have hormones concerned. We have now vitamin. We have now circulation. We have now detoxing. We have now power of the particular cell. And so there’s a variety of therapies, over-the-counter and prescriptive, however I don’t know any of them…And I’m an MD and so I’m gonna take a look at it medically regardless of if it’s over-the-counter or a prescription. I don’t know of any “therapy” that doesn’t have a number of probably actually scary uncomfortable side effects. You recognize, issues like disrupting your complete hormone pathways in women and men, making your complete system shut down with regard to libido. There’s so many. I might go on and on and on, and even the topical ones are having these uncomfortable side effects as nicely.

Then we now have people who find themselves identical to, “Properly, I’m simply not gonna bathe as a lot,” or, “I’m simply not gonna brush my hair as a lot.” Properly, what you’re actually doing is you’re simply not permitting the hairs which are already dislodged from the follicle to fall out, you aren’t saving any hairs by not showering. You’re not saving any hairs by not brushing. There’s really 4 phases of hair progress. There’s three which are in style, however there’s really a…popularly talked about, however there’s a fourth one. There’s the antigen part, which is the energetic progress part. And that’s the one the place your hairs are most prone to hair loss from like laser hair elimination, but additionally they’re going to develop extra. So, any therapy that you’ve, and when you’re utilizing the system that we’re speaking about, which is restore hair loss, then you definitely’re going to have to make use of it for sufficient time for the hairs to undergo all of the phases as a result of not your entire hairs are within the antigen part at one time. In the event that they had been, then they’d all be within the exigent part, which is the falling out part.

After which we’d be like Phoenix, proper? We’d molt. That wouldn’t work. So, there’s the antigen part. And then you definitely go to the catagen part, which is that this resting transitional part the place your hairs have stopped their energetic progress, however they’re preparing they usually haven’t fallen out but. After which you’ve the telogen part the place that’s really the place it’s dislodging. After which the exigent part is when it really falls out. And that’s all you’re doing is you’re simply serving to the exigent part once you’re brushing. However I would like you to know that circulation is absolutely necessary. You do must have circulation as one of many many components that can assist your hair develop. So, we now have a system that has a derma curler as a result of it will increase the blood stream to your scalp. And that’s tremendous necessary. Not solely does that assist your complete system…Even when you simply did that, that may be useful. But it surely additionally will assist the serum as a result of extra blood stream helps the circulation and helps it get it into the scalp extra usually and extra regularly and penetrate higher.

Katie: And I feel for folks listening relating to hair loss or hair progress and possibly understanding these hair cycles, one instance that may come to thoughts for them is being pregnant. As a result of I do know having had youngsters myself, it looks like throughout being pregnant, my hair would get actually, actually thick. So I’m guessing there’s a distinction within the cycles or one thing’s taking place there. After which a variety of girls expertise postpartum hair loss. So are you able to clarify what’s occurring or what adjustments throughout being pregnant and any approach that that may be relevant to our understanding of stopping hair loss?

Dr. Tami: That’s a hormone base. So, when you’ve your being pregnant, you’ve a excessive degree of progesterone and your estrogen are secure, and it’s not fluctuating up and down. So your hairs sort of get caught into this excellent full and nothing’s falling out. However then you’ve your child and every thing flows. And often, girls begin to discover that their hair actually adjustments when their durations begin coming again. You’ll be able to see after being pregnant that your hair does begin to fall out proper after the child as a result of that’s when your hormones go down. And hormones are a part of hair loss in women and men. And so we wish to be sure that once you’re going to guage hair loss, we wish to know a bit bit about it. We wish to educate you. If you opt-in to get one thing that’s going that will help you develop your hair, you also needs to be given some training about all the varied elements, and hormones needs to be considered one of them. Vitamin needs to be one other one, like I mentioned, circulation, after which the ATP and the mitochondria and getting the power in order that your cells can really make new hair.

Ian: So, there are a few fascinating hacks that we’ve checked out. So we’ve damaged issues down by way of the kits of do it as quick, quicker, and quickest. And quickest is sort of humorous to me since you use photonics. And so, principally what occurs is you are taking LEDs, and LEDs at round 670-nanometer bandwidth will have an effect on the cell cycle. And they also photonically stimulate the cell cycle. They hit a factor referred to as cytochrome after which they bump nitric oxide out of the best way and substitute it with a pleasant oxygen. And so it’s successfully forcibly transferring the oxidative phosphorylation, the electron transport chain by means of. And so you find yourself with increased rapidity within the progress cycle. So it seems that it’s really going actually quick. However principally what you’re doing is you’re overclocking your intrinsic mobile progress cycle. And so, once you mix that with a number of the different issues that we’re doing, just like the scalp masks, which it’s a once-a-week course of the place you detoxify the follicles.

So, we’re pondering when you strategy it from the surface and also you take away all of the issues like, , the parabens and the totally different stuff that you just’re really additively inserting once you wash your hair and also you clear and you set merchandise in it, once you take away that, a variety of the expansion will get suppressed simply since you’re inhibiting your physique’s regular cycles, proper? It’s going to supply issues, oil goes to come back out. However when you inhibit that with a variety of chemical components, you’ve each the chemical stress along with really mechanical stress positioned on it by not having correct viscosity in varied small areas like follicles. And little adjustments like which are additive. And within the quickest setup, we use the photonics to try to set off the cycle in order that it bumps up the tempo. So it has the looks…and I’m positive we can provide you some photos you may publish. However when folks see it, they assume, “Properly, that’s not doable. You’ll be able to’t develop hair that quickly.” Yeah, really, you may, it’s simply artificially stimulating the cell cycle to course of by means of. And so it has the web impact of upregulating ATP manufacturing, dropping the cell cycle instances. And so, on the finish of the day, you appear like you’ve much more hair than it’s best to have in a a lot shorter interval, as is evidenced by, , the images. And, admittedly, it’s a bit stunning.

However once you strategy it systemically and say, “Okay, we’ve gotta take out the chemical stress so we will clear the setting in order that the cells can really do it.” We did a bunch of issues utilizing totally different minerals to detoxify the system and in addition to dam oxidative stress contained in the cells. And the web impact of that, it’s similar to another initiatives I’d labored on the place we began taking a look at sub-cellular constraints by way of ATP manufacturing. And we figured oh, nicely, we cannot actually add power into the system like we’re doing with photons, we simply can merely maintain it from dropping the power that it inherently has. So that you simply make the physique operate extra successfully by blocking system loss. So once you block the loss and also you add in further power, you find yourself with a web impact the place every thing is transferring a lot extra quickly that it appears to be like like this, sort of, magical twist however it’s actually not. It’s simply, sort of, synergistic additive results of various stimulation.

Katie: I like that you just guys contact on the detoxing facet as a result of this was really one thing I went actually deep on when researching for our haircare merchandise, realizing we all know as girls we’re uncovered to a variety of chemical compounds by means of private care merchandise. And a overwhelming majority of these are haircare merchandise. And it’s, sort of, an ideal storm as a result of we’re stripping our pure oils with a variety of these actually harsh detergents. After which many ladies are spraying aerosols, and parabens, and plastics straight on our hair and our scalp. After which it’s a relentless degree of publicity, our scalp is uncovered to those all day, day by day. And people do construct up we’re now understanding. And so, I used to be excited to handle that from the haircare facet. However that alone isn’t going to reverse the hair loss points. That was why I used to be so excited to essentially delve into this with you guys. And I feel there’s so many instructions to go from right here.

However I like that you just introduced up, Tami, the vitamin aspect and the hormone aspect as nicely. And I do know it’s very a lot a each/and dialog. However I feel it’s additionally necessary to speak about that aspect a bit bit to sort of get the holistic understanding of that as a result of usually on-line, I see sources simply speaking about, “Oh, simply take biotin and that’ll repair it.” And that makes me nervous with my background in genetic analysis as a result of once you take particularly an remoted vitamin like that in megadoses, it might probably throw a variety of different issues out of steadiness, or in some folks, there are genes that reply actually negatively to extra biotin. And that appears to be the mainstream hair loss recommendation. So are you able to, sort of, give us a primer on the hormone aspect and the vitamin aspect?

Dr. Tami: Completely. And only one little tidbit on the detox aspect as nicely. You recognize, there’s hair care merchandise which are clear they usually’ll take away all of that junk out of your hair. However we overlook that these chemical compounds really enter into the cells of your scalp and into the follicles. And so that you just really must detox your cells. And so it’s virtually like that you just do must have a masks or some sort of a serum that pulls out the chemical compounds which were saved or leached into your cells. So, simply keep in mind, clear hair is just not detoxed hair.

So, I like hormones. My favourite hormone for ladies is testosterone as a result of no one ever thinks about it. They don’t discuss it and we’d like it, and a bit tiny bit has an outsized position in how we glance, really feel, and performance. However testosterone isn’t the top of our hormone story. Testosterone can develop into different issues and it might probably develop into estrogen, it might probably develop into dihydrotestosterone, and it might probably develop into different estrogens.

And the beauty of hormone cascade is that it’s like going from one step to a different step that could be a secret’s required for that step to occur. And the secret is usually a vitamin or a mineral. They’re referred to as coenzymes. However the issue is, is that when you simply begin randomly taking issues, like Katie was saying, that you just don’t know you probably have that lacking coenzyme. And you may really change your entire biochemical route within the reverse approach when you add one thing that you just don’t want. So, there are some things that it’s best to search for, I’m not telling you to take them, however it’s best to search for, do you’ve iron deficiency? That’s an enormous one. And folks at all times say to me, “Oh, I eat nicely. I eat clear. I eat natural. I eat no matter.” Does that imply you’re absorbing it? And in order that’s a extremely massive concern for us to know and so that you can know. And abdomen acid is tremendous necessary so that you can take up iron. Iron is absorbed in an acidic setting. And when you take antacids of any form, there’s an opportunity that you’ve a gentle iron deficiency. So, studying about how your physique absorbs issues, I feel nutritionally is the most important a part of the story, somewhat than making an attempt to simply take one or two dietary supplements.

Katie: After which relating to the mainstream, sort of, extra well-known hair therapies which are getting used proper now…So I’ve seen some which are topical, I’ve seen commercials, at the least. I discussed folks take a variety of biotin, approach an excessive amount of often. With these methods, what’s really taking place or how are they making an attempt to handle hair loss? And possibly give us a few of, like, the risk-benefit evaluation there and why these aren’t essentially good within the long-term.

Dr. Tami: For positive. Properly, the topical are literally drugs. You recognize, there’s a model title referred to as Rogaine and it’s an precise medicine that’s used topically. And it inhibits the enzyme…5 alpha-reductase is definitely dwelling in your hair follicle and it really is concerned in hair loss by means of the manufacturing of DHT, and it inhibits it on the follicular ranges. So, it’s efficient. However identical to your skincare must be checked out as if one thing that’s gonna be absorbed into your physique, your scalp can also be going to get absorbed into your physique. And so, these drugs have been recognized to have a number of hormonal disruption. And so, why would you try this when there’s pure options? There’s additionally issues you can take orally, Propecia and issues like that, that once more may be very efficient, however it’ll disrupt your hormones. Something that you just ingest that’s purported to disrupt your hormones is unquestionably gonna have a downward impact in your complete hormone tree, not simply that one that you really want.

So, each single factor that’s available on the market has an elevated threat and a few of them will not be even accepted for ladies and also you don’t even know that. For those who’re going to strive a few of these merchandise, I problem you to take out the package deal insert and skim these tiny, tiny, tiny little phrases. You’ll be able to take an image of it together with your cellphone if it is advisable blow it up and truly learn it as a result of they don’t need you to learn it as a result of the uncomfortable side effects are scary, they usually’re long-term as nicely. Typically they don’t go away simply since you cease utilizing it.

Katie: And there’s clearly some hormonal variations between women and men. And Ian you touched on this a bit bit so far as…So I’m curious how that is…and also you talked in broad phrases, however is it efficient on each women and men? As a result of I feel that’s an enormous key. We’re seeing, such as you talked about, these merchandise that had been primarily geared in direction of males however girls are actually utilizing them too as we see an increasing number of hair loss in girls. We’re seeing like they’ve uncomfortable side effects that aren’t protected, particularly if girls are searching for postpartum hair loss treatments. However as a result of I’d guess there are, sort of, possibly totally different pathways, various things taking place in males versus girls, are you able to, sort of, stroll us by means of what’s taking place in these totally different instances and the way it’s addressing each?

Ian: Yeah, so we even have every thing arrange, and it’s bifurcated between women and men. So, we now have two totally different setups. Working example, we’re really doing an IRB trial for COVID lengthy haulers as a result of 65%, really the standing is a bit over 65% of all of the people who find themselves having lengthy haul points are reporting hair loss, and that’s something over 100 strands a day. So, noticeable, noticeable sizes. However what’s intriguing is there appears to be a preponderance of girls. And once you begin to have a look at that, and clearly, nobody is aware of for sure and the information is unquestionably coming in as folks do an increasing number of analysis, however one of many issues that’s obviously obvious is that, like Tami was simply alluding to, issues in your scalp are associated to every thing in your physique as a result of it transfers by means of. And, , therefore like finasteride, you’ve points with hormonal dysregulation for males that may actually trigger chemical castration and a complete host of different not-so-fun issues that…You recognize, actually, that’s one of many causes I’d by no means even strategy that’s simply because the cost-benefit evaluation could be very skewed in a single route and it’s not a optimistic one in my view.

However once you take a look at what’s occurring with the preponderance of the people who find themselves dropping hair being feminine, you begin to…or at the least I did, I began to assume, “Properly, why is that this?” And so, in our discussions, we had been taking a look at it and one of many important options is that as a result of it’s a hormonal operate partly, it’s a must to take a look at what’s driving that, the communication between your endocrine system. And with girls, there’s a a lot increased density of mitochondria of their ovaries, proper? And it’s a part of the reproductive system. It’s very a lot hormonally linked, proper? And so COVID lengthy haulers, there’s a mitochondrial dysregulation that happens. And so, the ovaries have roughly 100,000 mitochondria per cell. And the following is 5,000 within the coronary heart.

So, by way of mitochondrial density, you’re taking a look at, in a girl, it’s ovaries, coronary heart, mind, eyes. And in a person, it’s coronary heart, mind, eyes. And also you’re seeing like within the German research on lengthy haulers that there have been post-COVID sufferers who had dysregulation in males, their coronary heart operate in over 85% of the instances. So, it’s not an actual far stretch to say, nicely, there’s clearly this cascaded mitochondrial dysregulation taking place and it’s additionally affecting the methods of communication by way of simply hormonal steadiness with the endocrine system. So, how will we deal with that? So, we began taking a look at how will we steadiness out the hormones? And therefore the extra dietary supplements which are for males are totally different than the extra dietary supplements which are for ladies. So we will tackle and, sort of, once more, hit on the trigger, , and take a look at the very best leverage factors, which on this case actually do appear to be a drop in systemic communication due to dysregulation within the reproductive system and because it hyperlinks to the endocrine system.

Dr. Tami: The opposite hormone that’s tremendous necessary for hair progress and hair loss is cortisol. Excessive ranges of stress have been recognized to haven’t solely your hair not develop but additionally trigger hair loss. We see that after sickness. We see that after COVID. We see that even simply once you’re stressed.

Ian: Presidency.

Dr. Tami: Sure, you may take a look at the president. One of many issues that we all know is that cortisol at excessive sustained ranges, we simply weren’t designed for that, proper? Your adrenal glands are these tiny little walnut-sized glands that sit on high of your kidneys they usually’re there that will help you run away from a bear. That most likely ought to have lasted about two minutes. And by that point, you both have gotten away otherwise you had been eaten. We weren’t designed to maintain this. And so when you’ve a stress that your physique perceives as a bear, however is definitely simply your boss, your deadline, your loved ones, your stress, your inbox, your site visitors, your private home, all of these items maintain your cortisol ranges up. That does two issues.

One is it will increase the hormones and chemical compounds in your physique that break issues down. You’ll most likely discover that your pores and skin doesn’t look pretty much as good both as a result of your collagen is breaking down. Collagen is a part of your hair. So, the issues which are breaking down go quicker. After which the issues that construct, construct new collagen, construct your pores and skin, construct your hair, they’re not being made as a result of the adrenal glands are busy with cortisol. So, not solely is it the hormones of being a person or a feminine, it’s additionally the hormone of stress cortisol.

Katie: That’s such an necessary level. And I’ve talked earlier than about this sort of in a diverse strategy in that lots of people, I feel, simply consider stress by way of “I really feel burdened” and that actual set off. However our our bodies, such as you talked about, understand stress and have that response from quite a lot of issues. And it might be the inaccurate sort of sunshine on the mistaken time of day. It might be your job, your boss, simply site visitors, no matter it’s, or it might be issues like even low-level chemical publicity. We have now so many extra inputs relating to cortisol I really feel like proper now in society, definitely COVID, and lockdown, and all of the issues we’ve been by means of prior to now yr, it’s apparent to see stress and the way that’s affecting all of us. And so, I feel that’s such a superb level, too, is like addressing all of these.

My private expertise being that, I didn’t even understand, I had low-level stress for a few years resulting from previous trauma. And I ignored that for a extremely very long time and simply centered on what I used to be consuming and the dietary supplements, and figured that may repair it. And it actually wasn’t till I addressed that and realized I most likely was not in parasympathetic very a lot for an especially very long time and noticed firsthand what a distinction that made as a result of all of the well being issues I assumed I used to be gonna repair with all of those different dietary supplements and loopy protocols all resolved themselves once I handled the underlying stress. And so I feel cortisol is a big key. And I identical to to remind folks, it’s not nearly feeling burdened. You even have to have a look at issues that your physique is perceiving as stress, even when you don’t essentially really feel the emotion of stress.

Dr. Tami: I at all times inform my sufferers that your adrenal glands don’t know the distinction between a marriage and a funeral. They’re disturbing. And so, it doesn’t matter what you are feeling. Identical to you had been saying, Katie, it actually doesn’t. The opposite factor about stress is I feel that it’s such a disservice that we as medical docs may have sufferers who come to us now greater than ever speaking about stress after which we’ll inform them …we propose to lower their stress. Actually? That’s so lame. After which how about my different favourite, handle your stress? What does that even imply, handle your stress? Your 5-year-old can’t get their dinner, your boss continues to be a jerk, your mission continues to be due tomorrow. There’s nonetheless a lot occurring.

So what I’ve give you is…that is my very own little, form of, story about stress. Stress occurs. Stress is like consuming. And we eat and meals will get throughout our tooth. And if it stays there, it causes cavities and gum illness. It could actually really trigger coronary heart illness. The micro organism from the gums can go right down to the…it might probably trigger full havoc in your complete physique. So what will we do? We brush and floss, proper? How usually? Not less than as soon as a day. Oftentimes greater than that. Why? As a result of you may’t cease consuming. It’s the very same with stress. Stress is just not going away. It’s identical to the meals in your tooth. However we now have to brush and floss our cells from the stress every day. And one of the best ways that I do know is meditation, not medicine however meditation. And there’s a plethora of analysis that helps that it decreases the hormones and chemical compounds of stress.

Katie: That’s such an excellent analogy. I like that. I’m gonna use that once more, for positive. I’ll quote you for positive. And I like that you just guys are taking the holistic strategy to this. I feel there’s a few extra areas we have to go deep on as a result of it’s fascinating to me. And also you talked about photons and also you talked about I feel enzymes and minerals and a variety of issues which are most likely not being included within the mainstream dialog about hair loss. And I do know that you just guys, realizing each of you’ve examined this actually rigorously and also you’ve seen unbelievable outcomes throughout the board. So I’d love so that you can, sort of, discuss the way you pulled in all these parts and what they’re particularly doing to the physique that’s inflicting these excessive outcomes.

Ian: Okay. So, trying from the sub-cellular parts first. So, we’re utilizing particular minerals to dam oxidative stress on the internal mitochondrial membrane. And so the web impact of that part is that it up-regulates ATP manufacturing. Now, as I alluded to earlier, it’s not really including an ATP. It’s simply maintaining you from dropping it. So you’ve extra electrons to really put into the system. So your electron transport chain kicks out extra items of power. And it pertains to, like, the lengthy haulers as a result of these guys are successfully having a symptom referred to as the Warburg impact. And principally what which means is that your physique will get shunted into glycolysis contained in the cells. And so that you get 2 items of power out in lieu of 36. So, you’re at an enormous loss. And the web impact for hair is the follicles simply can’t produce the best way they might. So, in these cells, by advantage of upregulating the encircling cells, you find yourself with a profit. So, we’re utilizing minerals to try this in a particular mix, to care for one part.

Then we’ve checked out stimulate progress components and get the cells to set off their very own progress components. And we’re doing that by means of groupings of very particular groupings of amino acids. And once you acquire these and also you drop them in, there are particular affinities contained in the cell that can bind with various kinds of amino acids. And it up-regulates the cell operate. And so, in one other part, that’s an additive cycle. And then you definitely begin trying on the different aspect of the wave as a result of, , in order for you one thing to extend in power, you alter its amplitude. And so it’s a must to take a look at the highest aspect and the underside aspect. So, the underside aspect on this state of affairs is detox pathways. So, once more, with that, we’re utilizing mixtures of pure compounds, a number of minerals, , the usual stuff that individuals would see, however then a few non-standard holistic parts which are a bit bit extra esoteric that individuals don’t typically play with as a result of we wished to have the ability to pull out toxins.

And that’s important as a result of you may solely reconstruct one thing you probably have an setting to reconstruct. It could, like, be akin to constructing a home and by no means ever taking away the particles as you construct the home. You recognize, at a sure level, you simply merely can’t restore it as a result of there are too many impediments in your approach. So, as soon as per week, we do a full deep scalp detox. After which each time you apply the serum, there’s a minor intracellular detox operate that happens. So that you’ve acquired, sort of, the macroscopic strategy with the follicular cell detox on the floor and then you definitely’ve acquired the microscopic strategy with the intracellular detox. After which we’ve used totally different lipid chains, that are simply, , the flamboyant science phrase for fat, totally different lipid chains to stimulate the cells and to supply the bottom for a number of the energetic parts to really bind after which to drop into the power manufacturing cycle.

So, it’s simply trying on the totality of how do you amp up the positives? How do you diminish the negatives? After which how do you, extra importantly, create a complete setting in order that every thing can do what it’s purported to do? As a result of, once more, we’re going again to the physique is aware of what it’s purported to do. It simply wants the impediments taken out of its approach. After which we do a few further hacks, just like the photonics stuff. And that’s really…There’s an incredible physique of analysis on low-level laser remedy. And a number of the finest analysis I learn once we had been doing this got here out of Harvard. And there’s a litany of it, and I’d advocate that anyone learn it as a result of it’s a must to in our system, you steadiness it out. You’ll do, , photonic stimulation for 10 days, and then you definitely’ll take 7 days off. And the explanation for that’s, the technical time period is a biphasic dose-response curve, which principally implies that once you transcend a sure level, it doesn’t have a useful impact, it has a detrimental impact. So, you may construct up the response within the cell cycle by overclocking it for roughly 10 to 13 days. However then once you transcend that time, it drops down and truly goes to a decrease state energetically than it was previous to beginning.

So, once you’re utilizing a factor referred to as a Janus mediator, which is what this triggers, and it’s Janus from the Greek god of two faces, proper? And so the biphasic part permits us to essentially amp issues up. However then it’s a must to undergo a interval of integration the place you reset. And like anything, you wouldn’t work out day by day of the week, seven days per week as onerous as you may since you would possibly find yourself with one thing like rhabdomyolysis. So, not that that may ever occur as a result of solely individuals who have by no means heard of it find yourself with rhabdomyolysis. That mentioned, so you may stimulate it however it’s a must to permit your physique time to combine. So, we now have a program that’s lined out so that you just’ll do 10 days on the place you overclock the cell cycle and then you definitely drop out for 7 days in order that it resets and goes again to its authentic place. After which as soon as it’s at stasis once more, then you definitely start the overclocking. And we map that out over time to see what the perfect response was and that’s what examined out the perfect.

So, the mix of these after which the extra dietary supplements. So that you’ve acquired the scalp masking so you may detox. You’ve acquired the serum that you just use to do the intracellular detox and upregulation of cell operate. And then you definitely’ve acquired the photonic stimulation, and then you definitely even have the complement part which are balanced for women and men in an effort to tackle the hormonal parts. And likewise circulation and, , do the derma rolling as a result of there’s a complete host of advantages to stimulating the circulation up there as a result of typically, your scalp doesn’t have a ton of it. However along with that, it’s additionally doing collagenases since you’re creating micro-fissures within the cells and round your scalp. And so, the web impact is your physique tries to restore it. And the issues that we included to stimulate the expansion components additionally set off the expansion there. So it’s, once more, an additive impact one on high of the opposite. Tami.

Dr. Tami: The opposite a part of it, , I used to follow solely as a beauty surgeon, or a beauty doctor somewhat, non-surgical, after which moved into stem cell remedy. So that is tremendous enjoyable to return into the beauty, however I can let you know that one of many issues that I made positive that I did is I’d scent, contact, and really feel every thing that I really helpful for my sufferers. And I can let you know that every one of that is luxurious. The serum is that this attractive purple. And it’s naturally like that. It doesn’t stink as a result of you aren’t going to go put pungent stuff in your hair regardless of if it really works or not. And it feels good. The derma curler doesn’t damage. You don’t want to fret about it. So not solely is that this going to work. It’s going to be a nice expertise. And in order that’s actually necessary when you’re going to do one thing that’s gonna work, I feel that it shouldn’t be, like, grit your tooth, and plug your nostril, and suck it up. And that’s why we got here up with this method, the hair loss system, as a substitute of it simply being a one-off product.

Katie: That’s an excellent level. I’m glad you introduced that up as a result of definitely, we see that lots within the well being world. There’s a variety of issues which are actually useful and persons are simply not going to do them as a result of it’s a foul expertise. Properly, like, an instance that involves thoughts, a good friend of mine, who you guys really know as nicely now, eats uncooked liver on a regular basis for the iron. And I’ve began doing this as nicely. I’ll simply swallow a bunch of uncooked liver within the morning with simply water. It doesn’t style that nice, however it’s extraordinarily efficient for power. And most of the people I point out that to won’t ever, by no means, by no means strive it as a result of it’s not a nice expertise.

However I feel to circle again to a few belongings you talked about, Ian, I feel that had been actually necessary to spotlight. The primary being that generally probably the most useful factor is subtractive. However that’s what the detox half is necessary. And infrequently, I feel we get caught up within the additive and we wanna simply maintain doing an increasing number of issues. And we don’t tackle that aspect as a lot. And likewise that dose-dependent response that extra is just not at all times higher and biking. I’ve talked about that a lot and even I say I don’t do something day by day, whether or not it dietary supplements, whether or not it’s train. The physique is extraordinarily adaptive however you don’t wanna do every thing each single day. So I like that you just introduced up each of these factors. I do know that we’re going to get the query from a variety of listeners about security throughout being pregnant and nursing. We have now a variety of mothers that pay attention. And as we already talked about, hair loss is a typical factor that may associate with these phases of life. So, are you able to give any particular steerage for mothers who’re pregnant and nursing?

Ian: Properly, as I’m not a medical physician, nor do I play one on TV, I’ll take the primary crack at this. Yeah, primarily based on the parts that we’ve included in every thing…And there was a means of going by means of and taking a look at different issues, a few of which labored extremely nicely. However on the finish of the day, the concept was to have probably the most holistic course of in order that there wasn’t something that you’d find yourself being broken by or ran the danger of getting issues with. And everyone, sort of, shies away from it. However personally talking, if when you wished to really eat this compound, it wouldn’t be detrimental. It could be extremely useful for you. And you may additionally likewise use it topically with nice profit. So, actually by way of, although it’s not terribly in style to say, , people who find themselves pregnant or nursing…One, I’m not desiring to diagnose, deal with, or stop any situation with this. However yeah, it could be completely high quality and protected. There’s not something inherent in any of the compounds that may toss something out of kilter. It’s sort of useful all the best way round.

Dr. Tami: And I feel the opposite factor to recollect is, , once I take a look at one thing as an MD, I don’t go by simply is it FDA accepted or FDA says it’s protected or not. So, then I do my very own evaluation and go, “Okay, nicely, what is that this made from? So would this disrupt hormones?” In fact, that may be an important factor in being pregnant. The reply is not any. It’s only a collection of amino acids and issues. So, in concept, you may consider this as the identical approach as an avocado face masks. It’s pure substances which are put topically so that there’s not going to be any hurt for being pregnant or breastfeeding.

Katie: I’d love to speak a bit bit extra about how rapidly it really works as a result of I do know I’ve seen some fairly wonderful leads to folks I do know personally. And I do know you guys each personally. So I’ve gotten, sort of, some insider data right here. However I feel most individuals have the notion that hair loss is a really lengthy course of to unravel as a result of the hair progress course of is so gradual. And I do know you guys have tried this in a variety of various kinds of instances. So, what are you seeing so far as outcomes and, sort of, timeline?

Dr. Tami: So, Ian despatched me the photographs and I’m like, “Yeah, we will’t say this.” We can’t say that that there’s this a lot hair progress in 4 weeks as a result of it doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t comply with my medical textbook information about how lengthy it takes to develop hair and the cycles. After which he jogged my memory that in fact it isn’t following the identical cycles. That’s the entire level of the properties of this serum. It’s up-leveling the cycles. So, as loopy because it sounds, it’s 4 weeks. We are going to see vital hair progress in 4 weeks. I maintain saying, “No, no, no, no, don’t say that. Say 12 weeks.” However I maintain seeing these photos at 4 weeks and it’s plain.

Ian: Yeah, a part of that’s biohacking, proper? We’re developing with a special method to elicit a really particular response. And on this case, it was simply the parameters had been this. And so, , make the hair develop as quickly as you may, make it as wholesome as you may, and make the method very elegant. And it does it nicely. And yeah, we’ve gone backwards and forwards about this however you shouldn’t have to beat the disbelief of issues and simply let folks discuss it themselves. That’s, I feel, really the perfect factor by way of one thing like this the place there’s undoubtedly going to be some reluctance to just accept that issues can occur extra quickly than they usually would occur in a organic setting. However when you change the constraints, and on this case, , we’re doing the rapidity with photonics. So it’s not…

I imply, simply learn the Harvard analysis. It’s there. Nobody had ever grouped it along with a system of parts that may do all of this, however the person parts had been there. It’s sort of akin to strolling in a room with all the components for a bicycle. And most of the people would possibly take a look at it and go, “Properly, it’s only a bunch of unusual sprockets and wheels.” But when what it’s purported to appear like, and also you assemble it in the appropriate style, then you’ve this factor that does all these loopy issues and it accelerates your pace. And that’s principally it. So, it was a complete host of disparate issues that hadn’t been addressed earlier than. However yeah. And, , in beneath a month, you’ll see a profound distinction. And that’s the best way it ought to work. Proper? You recognize, higher science.

I imply, I assure, 100 years from now, assuming, , the wheels are nonetheless on the buses of society and we’re transferring ahead collectively as a species, this can appear archaic and gradual. And there’ll most likely be some form of factor the place, oh, my God, it took two hours, actually? It ought to have solely taken 20 minutes. You recognize, so this can appear, , gradual in contrast, however proper now, it simply occurs to be…for, , the temporal level we’re at proper now, that is most likely the perfect factor I’ve seen, and by far and away the quickest, and in addition pure and received’t damage you, which is…And Tami most likely would have overwhelmed me with a stick if I had proposed to do it with any, form of, oddball compound that had unusual uncomfortable side effects. You recognize, this can do it however they’ll be radioactive for 3 days. That was taken off of the desk. Its secret ingredient is thorium. Yeah, that most likely wouldn’t have rolled nicely.

However yeah, it’s simply that, it’s higher science and higher drugs simply put collectively, , in a system. And once more, as a result of we’ve all talked about this, you may’t tackle heal the physique nicely except you tackle the physique in all of its totally different part methods as a result of it’s not only one factor. You’ll be able to’t pop a capsule, you may’t simply smear a serum on. That won’t work. And when you can trick the physique, , ala finasteride, to dam one thing, , in a follicular path so it’s not doing what it’s purported to do, yeah, you are able to do that. However sadly, there’s a consequence to that. You recognize, I imply, this strikes in accord. It’s sort of just like the aikido model of issues. We’re utilizing the physique’s power with it in lieu of making an attempt to hit it in a detrimental style.

So yeah, it’s quicker and higher. It’s the Buckminster Fuller ephemeralization, , quicker, higher, smarter, cheaper. And hopefully, that can, , get some form of shift within the market that different folks see this and go, “Oh, there’s a greater method to do it.” As a result of I assure, we received’t be the one those that…we may be the primary those that have figured this out, however hopefully, we received’t be the one those that determine it out. It ought to elicit a change throughout the market the place folks go, “Oh, nicely, take a look at this. These guys are making a approach of doing it the appropriate approach. We must always do the identical factor.” And in the end, I imply, I do know the three of us, what we’re all making an attempt to do is transfer the needle. So…

Katie: And this can be a query I didn’t assume to ask you guys forward of time. So if the reply is that you just don’t know but or you can’t discuss it, I completely perceive that. However does this work wherever that there are hair follicles? I’m pondering particularly for there’s lots of people listening who’ve thyroid points, and I used to have Hashimoto’s. There may be hair loss on the eyebrows and even eyelashes with thyroid points. I do know that is possibly most likely not geared in direction of use by the eyes. So possibly you reply this from the attitude of is it okay to make use of close to the eyes and/or might it doubtlessly be useful there as nicely?

Dr. Tami: Yay, I’m so glad you requested. The reply is sure. And we also have a charity nonprofit the place individuals who undergo chemotherapy lose their eyelashes and eyebrows, and this may be utilized safely and it might probably assist develop again your follicles. Completely.

Ian: Yeah, that was, once more, going again to the concept of being protected throughout the board, additionally facial hair. And that’s one other actually good one which I feel it’s extra of a beauty factor however lots of people which have patchy beards and issues like that can wish to use the identical system there. One of many different questions that lots of people who previous to testing it requested was, is that this going to develop hair in locations the place I don’t have hair? No, it received’t. It would stimulate collagen however it’s not going to stimulate new hair in unusual spots the place you don’t have it.

Katie: That’s humorous.

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I suppose a bit little bit of a deviation however since I’ve you each right here and other people would possibly ask this query as a follow-up. You talked about the expansion cycles of hair and I feel laser hair elimination, and I’m curious…I’ve gotten an honest quantity of questions on that and if it’s protected recently. And I don’t know offhand the information on laser hair elimination and if it’s protected. It looks like it’s utilizing a special…It’s most likely doing sort of the other virtually of what that is. It’s utilizing these in a nonbeneficial approach from the hair follicle perspective versus a useful approach. However simply any ideas? I do know, it’s a deviation on the protection of laser hair elimination.

Dr. Tami: No worries. I’m most likely uniquely in a position to reply this as a result of I simply offered my medical spa that I owned for 13 years the place we had two totally different lasers that had been used for hair elimination. And they’re protected. Now, they’re not protected for you in being pregnant. Why? As a result of they haven’t been examined. And lightweight frequency can doubtlessly, , go penetrate the place we don’t need it to. However for normal folks, it’s utilizing gentle and it really goes down and it’s a warmth factor. And there’s really a hair bulb and a hair bulge approach, approach, approach down. And when you’ve ever gotten your hair waxed and, , you checked out it, and there’s that like waxy little bulb on the finish, that’s what it’s. And there’s like a tiny little stem cell there, too. It’s damaging the hair bulb and the hair bulge in order that it might probably’t regrow.

Katie: That’s fascinating and actually good to know. And I’m undoubtedly very excited to be making an attempt your guys’ product as nicely. And I’m curious, it looks like it’s gonna work actually rapidly anyway. However is there anything we will do since we’re speaking about the entire holistic strategy, whether or not it’s vitamin, whether or not it’s, I’d guess managing our cortisol higher? So I at all times advocate get gentle within the morning in order that your physique is aware of that it’s morning. Cease getting gentle at night time in order that your physique is aware of it’s nighttime. That impacts cortisol fairly a bit. So do the apparent ways in which we will tackle stress. However are there different issues we will do to, sort of, even, like, give our physique the interior enhance as nicely and make this much more efficient?

Dr. Tami: I feel that fasting is a extremely massive subject proper now, each water fasting, long-term fasting, intermittent fasting. And I at all times have a philosophy that one thing might be proper however it won’t be best for you, and it won’t be best for you proper now. And so, fasting and making an attempt to develop hair on the identical time is just not a good suggestion. That’s one factor. Now, when you’re simply delaying your breakfast and having a larger interval of not consuming, then that’s not the identical and, , intermittent fasting. However we wanna be sure that your physique is getting sufficient vitamin. You recognize, vitamin C is in seven components of the pathway to make collagen. And so ensuring that you just’re consuming sufficient brightly coloured greens and fruit. You recognize, folks assume, “Oh, I’ll simply take vitamin C.” Properly, vitamin C is ascorbic acid and it’s only a tiny a part of the holistic vitamin C molecule. It’s not really the entire vitamin C molecule. So that you wish to give your physique what it actually might acknowledge. In case your great-great-great-grandmother might acknowledge it, then it’s fairly good. So just be sure you’re consuming a really brightly coloured weight loss program. Be sure to’re getting sufficient protein to assist the amino acids. And watch out of stresses as a result of fasting generally is a stress for some folks.

Ian: The opposite apparent one is the train part as a result of a lot of it’s depending on oxygenation and correct blood stream, proper? You’ve gotta get the vitamins. I imply, we will additively place issues topically however you continue to must get blood stream up there and have entry to what Tami was simply alluding to, have entry to all of the vitamins which are going to be the parts that basically do elicit that change. So that you’ve gotta do some form of train. It doesn’t must be tremendous rigorous or something like that. However even strolling really can be good, particularly at the moment when folks can’t exit to the health club in a variety of states. That’s really the one different one I’d add is when you can care for your weight loss program and your stress degree, shout out to meditation. It’s considered one of my fave pastimes as nicely. I feel these three issues, , the meditation, the weight loss program, and light-weight train, along with the construction of the system that we put collectively. That’s just about the trick proper there.

Katie: Excellent. And I’ll be sure that we now have direct hyperlinks within the present notes. That’s welnessmama.fm for any of you guys listening whereas, hopefully, exercising or possibly driving. And I will even put hyperlinks to a number of the research that we’ve talked about for the folks like me who like to go deep on the analysis, in addition to to a publish the place I’ve written in regards to the gentle part and in regards to the stress parts. So that you guys can go deeper on these as nicely. And as we get to the top of our time, Ian, I do know I already requested you this on our first episode, however I’m gonna ask you once more too. I at all times like to ask, selfishly, for any guide suggestions, if there have been books which have had a profound impression in your life and if that’s the case, what they’re and why.

Dr. Tami: I feel that the…so many books. In fact, I like studying. The guide that I had that has had the most important impression on my life is the one which I learn over and over and over, and I feel it’s as a result of it says one thing totally different each time. It’s referred to as “The 4 Agreements.” I feel it’s only a good life lesson and a great way to learn to change your perspective at no matter part of life. I used to be really flying right here and I assumed, “You recognize what? I feel that ‘The 4 Agreements’ guide can be a wonderful commencement current.” It’s simply such a…That is the best way that…when you can see the world this manner, it’s gonna be lots higher for you.

Ian: Okay. I’ve been chomping on the bit for this query, usually because I had a really profound expertise since final we spoke. The guide can be “Energy vs. Drive” by David Hawkins. Oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God, actually, probably the most impactful guide I’ve ever learn. And really, the profundity is off the charts. I want, I hope everybody goes out and will get it. Simply the outline of the development of human consciousness and the evolution of us individually and the way it pertains to what we will do to assist each other and transfer society alongside, really stunning. Bar none, probably the most impactful factor I’ve ever learn. And I’d actually advocate with all of my coronary heart that everyone exit and get it, learn it, and try to apply the concepts and the ideas in it. Simply implausible.

Katie: I like each of these suggestions a lot. I’ve most likely purchased, at this level, possibly 50 copies of “The 4 Agreements.” All people on the Wellness Mama staff has learn it. My youngsters have learn it. I give it to buddies on a regular basis. And I only recently additionally learn “Energy vs. Drive.” And it’s now on my oldest son’s studying record. I cross on the actually good ones. I do the five-minute abstract on the again after which cross it on to my youngsters. So, I’m excited for him to get to learn that at virtually 15 versus me attending to learn it now at my age. It’s undoubtedly a profound guide, for positive. And I like each of these. I already knew I beloved you guys. Now I like you much more.

And I’m actually excited that we acquired to go deep on this as we speak as a result of I feel, like we talked about at first, so many individuals are affected by this. Lots of people possibly are even shy to speak about it and really feel ashamed due to it. And I’ve at all times seemed for the holistic options. I do know that you just guys have as nicely. And I do know, Dr. Tami, we talked about a few of these issues, not hair loss, particularly, however the holistic aspect of issues years in the past. And I’m at all times excited once I can discover an possibility that’s insanely efficient and in addition pure. And that’s a really, very onerous mixture to nail. And I like that you just guys have executed that. So any closing ideas or recommendation?

Dr. Tami: Sure, you jogged my memory of one thing. I wish to encourage everyone to reframe self-care. It isn’t egocentric. It isn’t useless. You don’t want to really feel ashamed. Self-care may be science-based and it’s good for you.

Katie: I like that. That could be a good place to finish. I’m gonna make {that a} quotable as a result of I feel, particularly as girls and mothers, we will really feel responsible for self-care. And I do know that that overuse analogy about placing by yourself masks first and masks, in fact, have a complete totally different connotation after this previous yr however that has a ripple impact. It impacts all of us. And I’ve mentioned from the start that mothers, particularly, are probably the most highly effective drive on the planet. And so something we do as mothers to assist with self-care, care for ourselves, it ripples out and impacts so many individuals. So I like that you just introduced that up. I like you guys. I do know that there can be many extra rounds and I sit up for them.

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